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	<description>Thinking Parents Refuse to Lose Those Head Games</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure you'd all curl up into a fetal position and sob for days on end. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;d all curl up into a fetal position and sob for days on end. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: URGENT Urging for New Unschooler: GroupThink Is Not Thinking &#171; Cocking A Snook!</title>
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		<dc:creator>URGENT Urging for New Unschooler: GroupThink Is Not Thinking &#171; Cocking A Snook!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dawn, what would we all do without your no-nonsense honesty and sanity?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dawn, what would we all do without your no-nonsense honesty and sanity?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timely post for me. I was a radical unschooler up until last winter when I launched into curriculum. Honestly. I was on Sandra Dodd's unschooling discussion email list and the old Unschooling.com forum (curses that it died!). Now, I think I'm just getting back to that feeling of trust I had before my unraveling. 

Not that the break from unschooling wasn't a good thing. I got over my abhorance for all things schooly and discovered my daughter does enjoy some of that (on her own terms) and also that a regular bedtime is a wonderful thing for my family. But it's good to be coming back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timely post for me. I was a radical unschooler up until last winter when I launched into curriculum. Honestly. I was on Sandra Dodd&#8217;s unschooling discussion email list and the old Unschooling.com forum (curses that it died!). Now, I think I&#8217;m just getting back to that feeling of trust I had before my unraveling. </p>
<p>Not that the break from unschooling wasn&#8217;t a good thing. I got over my abhorance for all things schooly and discovered my daughter does enjoy some of that (on her own terms) and also that a regular bedtime is a wonderful thing for my family. But it&#8217;s good to be coming back.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing the cross-conversation there and here:

I am older than the 51-year-old mom commenting [&lt;a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/colwarp/768674282188714265/?src=hsn" rel="nofollow"&gt;at Colleen's&lt;/a&gt;] about how much she knows and how therefore she should lay down the law and the limits for the young, because she knows so much. Made me laugh thinking that the real secret to being older and wiser is knowing better than THAT!

I study power of story. We in our unschooling are all about power of story.

For example, "free reign" struck me as an idea we could examine in this context. It might seem a small thing but embedded in its story are beliefs about the very Nature of Man.

First, the usual spelling is "free rein" which literally means -- nothing like unschooling! -- to take a systematically broken, trained, gussied, harnessed and bit-wearing beast of burden and just temporarily loose the master's driving hand on the reins.

"Giving the horse his head" in this way is certainly not anything like actual freedom and sovereignty. The master is in complete control of the whole relationship and will withdraw the limited moment of so generously allowing the horse to have its own head.

It's more like closely supervised recess at compulsory school, for about 20 minutes if the boy is lucky.

So a horse's half hour of "free rein" doesn't happen until the horse has been thoroughly schooled, is no real form of freedom or self-determination, and literally doesn't even take place between members of the same species! -- it is a subjugating relationship, much like forms of human employment used to be. Certainly not natural, free, powerful, wild, autonomous, and certainly nothing like unschooling.

On top of which, I marvel at this comtemporary alternate use "free reign" racheting up our culture's unexamined assumptions about the imperative to control kids like animals, lest they "run roughshod" (another domesticated horsey metaphor) over parents and teachers and society. A child with "free rein" used to be a worrisome enough implication, a cautionary tale against permissiveness -- but now the fear is darker yet, a sovereign child! Ill-equipped yet with free REIGN! Ruling not just himself but his home and family, a child king, dictating by whim, a destructive reign for the whole kingdom and himself. It's a world gone mad!

(Historically there actually was a Mad King, come to think of it, King Ludwig, wonder if that all gets mixed into the power of this child-control story somehow, too?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing the cross-conversation there and here:</p>
<p>I am older than the 51-year-old mom commenting [<a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/colwarp/768674282188714265/?src=hsn" rel="nofollow">at Colleen's</a>] about how much she knows and how therefore she should lay down the law and the limits for the young, because she knows so much. Made me laugh thinking that the real secret to being older and wiser is knowing better than THAT!</p>
<p>I study power of story. We in our unschooling are all about power of story.</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;free reign&#8221; struck me as an idea we could examine in this context. It might seem a small thing but embedded in its story are beliefs about the very Nature of Man.</p>
<p>First, the usual spelling is &#8220;free rein&#8221; which literally means &#8212; nothing like unschooling! &#8212; to take a systematically broken, trained, gussied, harnessed and bit-wearing beast of burden and just temporarily loose the master&#8217;s driving hand on the reins.</p>
<p>&#8220;Giving the horse his head&#8221; in this way is certainly not anything like actual freedom and sovereignty. The master is in complete control of the whole relationship and will withdraw the limited moment of so generously allowing the horse to have its own head.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more like closely supervised recess at compulsory school, for about 20 minutes if the boy is lucky.</p>
<p>So a horse&#8217;s half hour of &#8220;free rein&#8221; doesn&#8217;t happen until the horse has been thoroughly schooled, is no real form of freedom or self-determination, and literally doesn&#8217;t even take place between members of the same species! &#8212; it is a subjugating relationship, much like forms of human employment used to be. Certainly not natural, free, powerful, wild, autonomous, and certainly nothing like unschooling.</p>
<p>On top of which, I marvel at this comtemporary alternate use &#8220;free reign&#8221; racheting up our culture&#8217;s unexamined assumptions about the imperative to control kids like animals, lest they &#8220;run roughshod&#8221; (another domesticated horsey metaphor) over parents and teachers and society. A child with &#8220;free rein&#8221; used to be a worrisome enough implication, a cautionary tale against permissiveness &#8212; but now the fear is darker yet, a sovereign child! Ill-equipped yet with free REIGN! Ruling not just himself but his home and family, a child king, dictating by whim, a destructive reign for the whole kingdom and himself. It&#8217;s a world gone mad!</p>
<p>(Historically there actually was a Mad King, come to think of it, King Ludwig, wonder if that all gets mixed into the power of this child-control story somehow, too?)</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm cheating here and copying the same response I posted on my blog. :) Here it is:
Boy, JJ, that seems like one of the keys to unschooling, really--remembering that what's thought to be the "norm" doesn't have to be at all. Sometimes I do remember it and then other times I let myself slide back into the group thought (wrong group though!!) that permeates our society. Thanks for the reminder! What on earth would I do without you and my other guides along this journey!!??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m cheating here and copying the same response I posted on my blog. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Here it is:<br />
Boy, JJ, that seems like one of the keys to unschooling, really&#8211;remembering that what&#8217;s thought to be the &#8220;norm&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have to be at all. Sometimes I do remember it and then other times I let myself slide back into the group thought (wrong group though!!) that permeates our society. Thanks for the reminder! What on earth would I do without you and my other guides along this journey!!??</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust -- dare I say faith? -- in yourself and your kids (and their dad too) just seems to be key in every way, to relationship success and family success and learning success, happinesss, harmony, satisfaction, no regrets, all that good stuff.  I'm helping some family members through probate and estate management right now, and it really gives you perspective on what matters, and what people wish they had done differently, how those who must carry on don't care as much about the money as the memories of time spent together, and so objects that evoke those memories become the most important . . . ah,  must stop, revarnish my intellectual veneer . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust &#8212; dare I say faith? &#8212; in yourself and your kids (and their dad too) just seems to be key in every way, to relationship success and family success and learning success, happinesss, harmony, satisfaction, no regrets, all that good stuff.  I&#8217;m helping some family members through probate and estate management right now, and it really gives you perspective on what matters, and what people wish they had done differently, how those who must carry on don&#8217;t care as much about the money as the memories of time spent together, and so objects that evoke those memories become the most important . . . ah,  must stop, revarnish my intellectual veneer . . .</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - well, that's true. I never said it was COMFORTING!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL - well, that&#8217;s true. I never said it was COMFORTING!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nance Confer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nance Confer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an interesting time to be the Mom -- unschooling or not. But as an unschooler, when I see my 13 and 15-year-old babies doing things in their own way, disagreeing with me, being disagreeable, dealing with choices, etc. -- I have the choice. I don't have to react a certain way. Sometimes I do. :) But I don't have to.  I can choose how I want to react and interact with them. The roles are not pre-scripted. 

There's a lot of freedom in that. Freedom for me to be myself. And for them to be themselves and find out how they want to be.

Which is not all that comforting every minute of the day! :)

But at least it's not assumed that it will be a battle. 

OTOH, I read a quote on an unschooling list today that really rubbed me the wrong way. Something about having a responsibility to be happy. Most likely it just hit me wrong. Maybe there's some good thinking behind it. But I don't feel obligated to be happy. Or anything else. I'm just trying to be real. Which is hard enough to figure out some days! :)

Nance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an interesting time to be the Mom &#8212; unschooling or not. But as an unschooler, when I see my 13 and 15-year-old babies doing things in their own way, disagreeing with me, being disagreeable, dealing with choices, etc. &#8212; I have the choice. I don&#8217;t have to react a certain way. Sometimes I do. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> But I don&#8217;t have to.  I can choose how I want to react and interact with them. The roles are not pre-scripted. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of freedom in that. Freedom for me to be myself. And for them to be themselves and find out how they want to be.</p>
<p>Which is not all that comforting every minute of the day! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But at least it&#8217;s not assumed that it will be a battle. </p>
<p>OTOH, I read a quote on an unschooling list today that really rubbed me the wrong way. Something about having a responsibility to be happy. Most likely it just hit me wrong. Maybe there&#8217;s some good thinking behind it. But I don&#8217;t feel obligated to be happy. Or anything else. I&#8217;m just trying to be real. Which is hard enough to figure out some days! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nance</p>
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