Is “UnCultured” Desirable or Even Possible, for Our Girls?

20 07 2009

What’s the opposite of uncultured, I’m wondering today.
Cultured? Which antonym means natural, pure, authentic — cultured, or uncultured? So is cultured a good thing or not? Do we (collectively, as a culture) have consensus either way, have we thought to ask? Is it even a meaningful question, or is it nonsense?

Based on Wired Magazine power of story, Dana asks today just what we are teaching our girls. I saw this at the same time, which suggests that as Dana herself says, it’s not the current state of technology so much as timeless human psychology (mostly of their parents!) that shapes the culture kids will then see reflected back to them, in the most successful public messages.

Maybe youth culture is like driver’s ed as a subset of the general culture, as tweens and teens learn to operate their own psychology according to current road conditions, and affect those conditions for us all at the same time.

Favorite Daughter unschooled, unchurched, and therefore uncliqued, nevertheless identified with the Disney princesses as she danced almost daily through her tween-teen years with a small class of girls self-selected from public and private Christian school cultures. She has a lot to say about Girl Culture for Thinking Parents to consider, especially if it still looms ahead of their children. So here goes (maybe get a cuppa something, it’s long.)

Girls who stay with dance tend to be beautiful, slender, graceful girls blessed with great bone structure, aspiring ballerinas seduced to Dance as little girls by princess-pink tutus and tiaras, by handsome princes, bouquets of flowers and bows to the adoring crowd. Beautiful culture, nothing to fear?

But the world of dance is also unrealistically same-sex segregated. It’s also a culture of heavy stage make-up beyond one’s years, sensual and provocative if not downright sexy moves and costumes, investment in and obsession with appearance to the point of eating disorders, competing against peers to impress teachers and judges and earn external validation, petty dressing room gossip and elaborate in-bred social rivalries because there’s no time for any life outside that world –

At age 16 Favorite Daughter blogged:

Growing up female at the tail end of the 20th century, I hear a lot about the way the media unfairly influences my vision of myself. I can’t help but hear the news reports and studies and talk shows about yet another girl who got lost in a glossy magazine, yet another young woman whose blind ambition to be beautiful ruined a life not yet begun. . . yet I’ve survived spending almost every day with people who challenge my physical self-esteem.

Allow me to explain: I dance.

Nance then offered her a little cultural affirmation:

Yesterday I was talking with a my wonderful sister-in-law about my DD and her friends. They are in the 10-13 age range. And they THINK!! They try different things like being vegetarian — with varying success :) — and they try different styles. And they try different looks and makeup and attitudes. But they THINK! They do not confuse skinny with healthy, for one important thing. And they revel in being their own unique selves.

Unschoolers all! :)

May they continue to hold fast to discovering who they want to be, exactly as they want to do it, with you as a wonderful example!

Btw the dancers who stay in that world and thrive, especially ballerinas, are stereotypically far from scholars and curious academic minds (dance professionals we met would use the word “bunhead” for this type, and not in a good way.)

Bunhead cliques pre-date fashion video games and fast food, modern marketing and Disney princesses, just as criminal gangs pre-date violent video games, MTV and sugary cereal marketing.

FavD’s first job was at that studio too, so between dancing and working she spent most of her waking teen hours awash in bunheaddery — including family members who one way or another, surely helped make the bunhead culture individually and socially who they were– yet she wasn’t of that culture, or in it. She never wanted or bought into it, but became a cultural observer and critic of it.

I don’t know how much of that came from nature and how much from nurture, how much was her homelife and unschooled education . . .what I can certify beyond any doubt, is that she had unlimited access to Disney and the Olsen Twins and Barbie, television and movies, music, wigs and hair-dye and ear-piercing, snack food and make-up, even School and Church (but became cultural critics of those as well.)

So let’s stay real — the corrupting influence of exclusive, expensive and desirable culture didn’t just come along with video games and iphones. (Ever read F. Scott Fitzgerald?)

When we worry in my house about what’s being marketed to our teens by a corrupt culture worth working to change, it’s more like this:
Those Who Would Like to Pre-Approve Us All

Of course like teen gangs and cliques, paying for school as Complex Moral Dilemma is older than *I* am never mind older than our daughters, and it wasn’t invented by greedy credit card companies but by the general culture that has ALWAYS gamed higher education as exclusive, expensive and the gateway to the American Dream.

He’s about to get kicked out of med school because he can’t pay for classes. He is quite destitute. I worried about him, how was he going to manage? Wait tables? Become a grease monkey? Sell his body? (I mean, of course, his organs. )

Marketers and movie-makers and storytellers reflect our culture back to us, in the languages we’re speaking, more than force it on us. (Even Shakespeare was just giving people what they wanted, back when his plays were meant to play to that.)

Barbie dolls first became controversial cultural message a half-century ago when I was a little girl. In mid-twentieth-century conservative southern culture, that was before television was much of a factor at least for me, much less before video games. I was preschool-aged, too little to listen to rock and roll on the radio, before the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan, before the Kennedy assassinations. But I had one of the first Barbie dolls (several, truth be told) and so did high-tech baby FavD decades later:

If your child is looking to Barbie as her primary role model, maybe you should let her read, or watch television, or leave the house. In a world in which Michelle Obama is the First Lady, Sandra Day O’Connor is appearing on talk shows, and Tina Fey exists, are girls today hard up for flesh-and-blood role models?

And sure, youth culture is about us parents, too. All of us collectively if not so much individually, how we choose to live and die and why. So there’s much we can do and everything matters, but we parents need to be discerning to accomplish that, too smart as “idea consumers” to blame human culture on itself just because it exists, just call it evil and gang up on it because that’s the popular message being peddled to us, too smart and savvy to just define tv commercials, snack food and video games as The Problem. Or to blame a world in which the whole family doesn’t sit down to dinner together anymore, rather than raising children more concerned about how much of the world gets no dinner at all.

Or fashion dolls, cliques or the culture of dance:

More culture of dance? — girls as a group are better dancers (students) than boys and like it more, but still must wait to be asked, held back by the less willling and able boys? How many girls finally become frustrated enough to just dance alone or with each other, forget about waiting for the boys to catch up? Seems to me girls already adept at the dance of cultural change, will not wait long and will be right not to, that they’ll tend instead to make over their identity once again, and never mind those trying to engineer their differences into some standardized social configuration.

Will our nation’s cultures and creeds, our empowered parents and our world-renowned educational institutions, merely keep up our stylized minuet as we go right on fancying ourselves the belles of the cultural ball, uniquely superior to all those backward places where geography and demographics are destiny?

Culture’s got everything! It’s so complex that there’s ample opportunity to choose our own emphasis. So each of us can choose, ask and answer ourselves — will I spend my life-force fearing or cheering youth culture, parenting culture, high-tech culture, global culture, creative culture, the culture of dance?

From the President’s transformational speech at Cairo University to the 20th anniversary of Tiannamen Square to our family here in Florida, where the kids danced all weekend in styles from around the world and where during rehearsal I met another dad with a dancing daughter adopted from China, this week’s power of story is an internationally inclusive progressive dinner, a timeless serial story told with creative, meaningful nuance, cultural sensitivity and — dance!


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21 07 2009
Kids and Consumerism « Scita > Scienda

[...] Cocking a Snook makes the point that it’s not about unculturedness, it’s choosing culture in a deliberate, thinking way. [...]

21 07 2009
Crimson Wife

My DS loves to dance. I suspect he’d really enjoy a ballet class but I also know his ex-military ex-frat boy ex-quarterback father would freak out at the idea of his son as a ballet dancer (think Billy Elliott). So my plan is to lobby to enroll my younger DD in ballroom dance lessons when she’s old enough and oh, yeah, honey she’ll need a partner… ;-)

21 07 2009
COD

My father wouldn’t let my mother enroll me in tap at age 5. I’m still bitter about my lack of grace on the dance floor.

21 07 2009
JJ

CW, just as a piece of info you can do with as you will, football players have been given ballet workouts that kick their asses and make them cry uncle, mainly as a gimmick by their coaches but still, it physically counteracts the prejudice that dance is some kind of sissy-boy thing. Or get a load of the abs on the “So You Think You Can Dance” finalists.

OTOH it’s simultaneously true that your DH and COD’s dad are quite right to have social-cultural concerns. There’s a lot about the culture of dance that can sort of make you unfit for return to the ordinary world you came from, especially for boys. Read Mao’s Last Dancer (CW’s hubby would like this, maybe; it’s about communist China and political-economic themes for a male ballet dancer literally dislocating his hips as a poor ignorant boy, to qualify for a brutal ballet school that sounds tougher than military boot camp.)

On my way home from Shakespeare camp drop-off just now, I was listening to NPR’s interview with Charles Siebert on “humanzees” like Lucy, raised as human children and taught to communicate human thoughts and feelings with sign language, to sleep in a bed and prepare meals from the refrigerator, etc. Then when they become pubescent and their “nature” takes over and they are sent reluctantly out of human culture back to chimp culture, they are unfit. Anyway, I think Dance can have that effect, especially on boys . . .

Also I think the Culture of Dance over time turns out to be different in ways both good and bad from what anyone expects. IOW whatever our notions positive and negative, they will turn out to be wrong! ;-)

But that probably says more about “culture” than “dance” –

21 07 2009
JJ

AS I commented on her blog when she first wrote her cultural critique of what we’re willing to do to pay for what she called our “education fetish”:

Dear Favorite Daughter, the Culture of Work and School explains a lot about almost everything, though it’s seldom factored in or even mentioned in school or on the job. I guess fish schools don’t mention the water much either?

See “Hell is Not Working”

21 07 2009
Beta

Wow, there’s so much here, I don’t know where to start. I danced when I was young, as well, and I never fit the stereotype. Chubby, geeky, too smart — you name it, I was there.

Alpha and I have proclaimed time and again how “lucky” we are that we don’t have girls. Because, truthfully, I think it’s harder. There are more stereotype, more hurdles to overcome, more conversations that get in the way. My brother took dance for a few years, because my mother thought it would suit him. He was small for his age, soft-spoken, what could suit more? How could she know he’d rather she sign him up for wrestling than jazz class with his sister??

FavD has a real talent for words. I hope she finds the groove she is looking for. As for me, thanks for playing along with dh. He wants an audience, just isn’t sure quite where to find it!

21 07 2009
JJ

Hi Beta, thanks for the kind words about Favorite Daughter’s writing and I think that WILL be her groove — who btw has outed herself this summer, as Meredith or Mer. (I’ll keep using the FavD here, though.)

Your DH might like meeting up with some of the other longtime Thinking homeschool dads online. I am thinking particularly of Daryl Cobranchi who’s a doctor of chemistry, currently with DuPont I think (and dad of four including a ballerina at a special NC arts high school now) and Chris O”Donnell, tech geek and Air Force brat, Red Sox fan, horse and fencing dad, also experienced kid ball coach.

And Rolfe Schmidt the math whiz prodigy dad (from Harvard, MIT, Stanford, can’t recall?) had a GREAT blog for little boys who love travel plus homeschooling math and science, until he went offline several months ago to finish his own doctorate . . . lots of good stuff is still there though, including some very deep religious compassion discussion you might like, and he started a separate math blog for kids that I think he still plays with.

Then Doc is a mom, not a dad, but she’s a hard-science doctor too . . .

21 07 2009
JJ

Beta, did I happen to tell you my dad was an Air Force Colonel, ret. (and then Ph.D. business management-ethics prof for 30 years at UF?) I only mention this because it might help your DH feel there are plenty of people he can talk with who would get him. . .

22 07 2009
Beta

Awww, crap! That’s what comes of commenting while drinking a screwdriver or two. Luckily, I didn’t ramble on too much.

The outing was unintentional, although it’s never been about my own privacy. Rather, it’s about allowing Gamma and Epsilon relative anonymity.

Thanks for the links. I’ll have to recommend them to Alpha!

22 07 2009
writestuff444

Our youngest fell in love with pink ballet and for 7 years she worked hard to be a “ballerina”, but her 5 foot 10 frame with footballer shoulders and solid German body wasn’t air, it was ..oh I want to find the right word. It was Eve in the world, a strong womanly body with it’s own brand of grace and movement, but she did not fit the dance stereotypes of ballet and finally she acceded with a certain level of heartbreak at the decision to switch to volleyball. She grew to love her sport and is still working at loving her body, as are all of us as women.

Meredith sounds like she’s having the time of her life, Amazing adventure JJ.

Should we plan an old lady’s tour of Europe,..for homeschooling mothers who just need to get away! :) I’m up for it.

22 07 2009
JJ

Let me do what I can to erase you, Beta. :)

(Better now?)

22 07 2009
JJ

Miss Betty, I always did like the way you think. The girls started out just planning it as the fun, without really thinking it would happen, and they had such a good time for a year with that. We certainly can start THAT part — maybe start by putting Belgium on the list because I’m sure Beta wants to make screwdrivers for us . . .

Hmm, I wonder if we could get a book or movie deal out of it like Julie and Julia?

22 07 2009
JJ

Betty, tell Em we have a famous volleyball player slash model from FSU, six foot two I think, named Gabrielle Reese. She was a local celebrity here before she became world famous. I even saw her shopping one day back then, and she’s just stunning even in the grocery store. Wikipedia says she didn’t take up sports until the 11th grade. It also reports that she co-wrote a book Em might like the title of, called “Big Girl in the Middle.” :D

22 07 2009
NanceConfer

She grew to love her sport and is still working at loving her body, as are all of us as women.

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Ain’t it the truth! :)

But we’re trying to do better for our daughters, aren’t we? At least we’re open about the image issues and aware. I don’t remember this sort of discussion when I was a girl. Many eons ago. :)

One odd thing here — DD is tall and has fallen into a pool of girls who are actually as tall or taller. In the local acting school. Why would that be? I don’t know but we’ve all noticed it and DD is very happy with it. :)

Off to swim now. Not to change my body shape but to be healthier. Right? :)

Nance

22 07 2009
JJ

What fantasy destination will you add to our Thinking Crone tour, Nance? If swimming is your thing, how about the Cote d’Azur (south of France) or maybe off the coast of Capri? I have my travel journal out from 1985, documenting the only European swim I ever got to take:

“At the top [of the island's funicola] the view of the coast was gorgeous. I bought a white polished cotton dress for 95,000 lire (under $50) and after a cool drink at a sidewalk cafe, descended and joined the group at the beach.

The beach is narrow and comprised of rocks rather than sand. They are black, grey and white rocks ranging from the size of your fist down to the size of small pearls. And they hurt! Now I understand why swim shoes were invented. The rocks go out into the water until you reach almost shoulder depth. Then it’s absolutely glorious.

I swam along the coastline looking back at Capri with the sun almost right on top of the cliff face, turning it a hazy gold. The Mediterranean water was very cold for July in such a hot climate, but once in, I didn’t want to get out. I swam about 40 minutes, then climbed back along the rocky beach to enjoy a beer by the dock, before we left for Naples via hydrofoil . . .”

22 07 2009
Beta

Thanks, that was kind of you!

Come on over, I’ll get you all soused too. Although, for the time being, I think I’ll be sticking to herbal tea in the evenings!

I vote for the Greek Isles, personally. And Switzerland. And can personally attest to the beauty and timelessness of Scotland. Only five more weeks and we’ll be there, in our home away from home. Can’t wait!

22 07 2009
JJ

Oh yes, definitely Scotland! Okay ladies? Beta can get us soused in two nations . . .and then when she is old and her home education a fond memory, the next generation will do it for HER.

22 07 2009
writestuff444

Keep tempting me….I’m wondering along the lines..of homeschoolers all over the world…if a trip abroad..and doing some form of homeschool mom exchange trip..might not be a fabulous adventure! Especially with Emily away at school this year, won’t I need some adventures of my own…

I think the Greek Isles..Oh, my God, I can’t imagine seeing them! Rome just doesn’t excite me as much as Greece..or France! And I’m even tempted by Austria and Germany.

but having never been abroad I’d settle for a little old hut in any country there..:)

22 07 2009
JJ

I guess I’d better get that passport application pulled together soon, just in case! :D

22 07 2009
Nance Confer

Well, I found my birth certificate. Don’t rush me on the rest of it! :)

Greek Isles has a nice ring to it though. . .

Nance

22 07 2009
JJ

Why should we BELIEVE you on that birth certificate?
;-)

23 07 2009
Beta

My best friend here, Eleni, is from Athens. She’s actually back “home” visiting right now, poor thing. It’s miserably hot right now, of course. I’d aim for mid-spring or mid-autumn. Wait two years and she’ll be back in Greece for good, and we’ll have our own personal tour guide!

23 07 2009
JJ

We can do that — two years of blissful fantasy planning, then we GO! :D

23 07 2009
Nance Confer

True. Maybe I am a secret Kenyan. :)

Nance

24 07 2009
JJ

At Lynn’s: The Power of Art

24 07 2009
JJ

In my local newspaper:
We Need to Help Girls Survive Being Girls:

My friend was disparaging the critical-thinking processes of teenage girls. While I opted to cut the back-and-forth short and wished upon him a fatherhood pox of little princesses, his comments made me think about what leads girls to do the things they do.

25 07 2009
writestuff444

Em will almost be out of college in two years. I might even be able to afford an European adventure!

25 07 2009
boremetotears

From “We Need to Help Girls Survive…”:

Ward’s revelations made me think about the example young girls see in women my age…. “They are our responsibility,” Ward said.

I was struck by something Nigel said to (older) dancer Melissa about her breast cancer performance (referenced in “Power of Art,” linked above). He said that, as an older woman, she had a “responsibility” to the piece, which she seemed to understand. Interesting, as I don’t think that many people (men or women) spend much time and energy considering their influence in this way.

25 07 2009
JJ

YES! I was struck by that too. I feel that same responsibility or I wouldn’t blog btw. I think of it more as artistic “integrity” I guess — the way Howard Gardner describes the best leaders as those who best “integrate” their public and private power of story in ways that ring true.

And this is the critical difference for me, between those I admire and those I disdain (or sometimes even despise).

Did you ever see the movie Excalibur? — in which an old Merlin darkly warns, “When a man lies he murders a part of the world.”
Just shooting off your mouth in circles or doing cutesy posing and shock-jock stuff, is all a form of lacking integrity and therefore lying imo. You have a responsibility to the truth of the thought, the words, the human meaning, to think and then express at the very highest level you can manage, and to never be satisfied that you’ve achieved it.

30 07 2009
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15 08 2009
JJ

JJ above: “Marketers and movie-makers and storytellers reflect our culture back to us, in the languages we’re speaking, more than force it on us.

(Even Shakespeare was just giving people what they wanted, back when his plays were meant to play to that.)”

Sandra Dodd on Bringing Shakespeare Home:

Luckily for us all, we can see Shakespeare in our own homes, done by professionals, and we can pause or rewind or fast forward, we can eat chocolate chip ice cream or hamburgers (neither of which were known to anyone at The Globe Theatre), sit on soft couches with kids in our laps, have subtitles playing… I love DVDs.

And I’m grateful to anyone who has ever made a film of Shakespeare. Netflix has a DVD for rent (which means it’s for sale too, but it might not be so cheap) of some of the earliest silent movies of Shakespeare plays. Sometimes it’s only one scene of a play, and some were very experimental things with interesting special effects.

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