Greg Laden Blog Full of Unscientific Crap That Keeps On Giving

4 07 2007

UPDATE July 15 – If the unarguably scientific (also Univ. of Minnesota-based) blog Pharyngula threw “cmf” and all his sockpuppets — in bed with “Greg Laden” in some form or another — in the Killfile Dungeon, that’s sure good enough for Snook. He — whoever he is — is guilty of the same charges here and then some, beyond a reasonable doubt:

       
MISCREANT
cmf AKA skinfixxix, newKosfan, and austingrrl
CRIME
Stupidity, morphing, sockpuppetry
SENTENCE
Automatically Junked
COMMENTS
Rambling nutcase and misogynist. Exhibited his incoherence and obnoxiousness on a thread, got disemvoweled, and then invented a few transparent pseudonyms to try and continue; “austingrrrl” even tried to claim that cmf had “sent” her to the thread. It’s funny how even all of his female friends sound like woman-hating schizophrenic dorks.

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“I am aware of the fact that there are a small number of children who are home schooled in a quality setting. But it is very small. Most home schooling is religiously and politically motivated and poorly conducted.”

That was posted by the self-proclaimed science educator and Harvard-lettered “Greg Laden” himself.

And his primary sock puppet the misogynistic and poor spelling “cmf” — or is it the other way around, who knows? — is all over it, of course, with this nonsense:
“Hippylove: Wow. Thanks for sharing. I would love it if you weighed in on some of these other homeschool posts Greg has here, as the common thread is that abuse doesn’t happen in the homeschools. Keep up the posting.”

Hippylove is (natch) a registered user at the “free penis enlargement forums” — but not in any homeschool forums.
And another homeschool disser, “MichaelS” according to the unlinked comment signature, doesn’t show up anywhere as ever posting about homeschooling before, in the first 15 pages of my Google search for “michaelS homeschool” — but hey, who needs comments from real homeschoolers, right? That would only be important if we cared about the scientific method and objectivity as it relates to education policy in the real world.

So this unreasoned, fabricated and decidedly unscientific mound of crap is no surprise, given the many recent discrepancies and disappointments emanating from the “science education” blog of Greg Laden, ah well . . . now it is confirmed in black and white at least, that real science and open-minded inquiry is not the point over there. Was there ever better evidence that just because we call something science or education, it doesn’t make it so . . .

AS CMF himself (if there’s any such real person) posted rather illiterately back in March:

cmf Mar 13th, 2007 at 11:22 pm

It is amazing how they link kids with ill will or deviant intent…isn’t there some saying like” those who percieve something as obscene must firsl have seen it in themselves?”
Oh, yeah,,,I meant..” he who smelt it dealt it?”

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51 responses

4 07 2007
JJ

And SanFranciscoWitch — of the entire Internet world, this persona only posts at Greg Laden’s, imagine that. And that will take quite an imagination, a suspension of disbelief that would choke a horse —

5 07 2007
Doc

Amazing that scientific evidence (data collected from actual performance of homeschoolers vs. publicly schooled children on similar tests, you know, like the ACT and SAT) consistently put the MAJORITY of homeschoolers in a position of academic superiority. Additional evidence (actual scientifically controlled studies of a wide variety of children, both traditionally and home schooled) put those who learn at home at a definite advantage socially.

In fact, of all research conducted that compares homeschooled students to traditionally schooled students, homeschoolers never come out BEHIND the gov’t or private schooled students.

All Greg has to do is google. Too bad he’s incapable of that.

Again, Greg only posts about homeschooling when his other 30 posts per day don’t garner any comments. When the heck does this guy do ANYTHING besides blog?

5 07 2007
JJ

If you have come late to this lesson about home education discussion online, here’s some homework . . .

And extra credit reading is here and if you like to track observable phenomena back to the source, here’s where Greg Laden’s pet troll — the one who he values and protects and defends, rather than the homeschooled girls and women he purports to be so concerned about helping — first showed up back in March, and forced himself on us.

Finally, here is the Master-Baiter himself admitting that his blog IS full of sock puppet and meat puppet commenters, his own known relatives and students pretending to be independent strangers who just happen to agree with everything he says, “those whom [he] considers friends, has some personal responsibility to, those whom [he] loves.”

You’d think public schooling (or Harvard at least) would socialize folks to be much better online citizens than this?

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Greg Jul 5th, 2007 at 1:26 am

Wow! I’ve never seen such crap!

Sometimes people comment on my blog who can’t be found (if one bothers to look) in a google search. People whose name (as commenter) does not link to any internet presence.

I happen to know some of these people. They are people whom I’ve known for some time, a relative or two, a former student here and there, a loved one now and then.

But when “Nance” or “JJ” or some of the other “Evolved Homeschoolers” find such a person … a person they can’t find in a google search … who happens to disagree with them, they launch a campaign of absurd invective and hatred against them.

I cannot stop Nance and JJ from being the morons that they are. I can’t stop Nance and JJ from attacking those whom I consider friends, individuals to whom I have some responsibility, or individuals whom I love. I won’t even try to ask them to stop this asinine behavior.

Ironically, I have been asked by them to control or delete or manage or modrate people with whom they disagree on my site. Indeed, Nance, JJ, COD, DOC, and maybe one or two others, but certainly them, have behaved in an absolutely appalling way. They complain that folks like CMF are concerned about child abuse.

I ask you: Who could read their hateful and idiotic blathering and not be concerned about the health and welfare of any children in their homes?

Wow.

The so-called Evolved Homeschooler cabal is engaged in harassment and investigation of whomever disagrees with them to a level that would make Patriot Act Simps envious. My goodness. Heaven, Hell, Zeus and Richard Dawkins himself help anyone who disagrees with these morons. I am truly astounded.

Nance: You have laid down the last straw. You are banned.

JJ. You are an annoying bitch. You are banned.

The reason you are banned is not because you are stupid, though you are. The reason you are banned is not because you are rude. You are. (Each of you, as far as I can tell) The reason you are banned is not because you are boring. But oh man, are you ever boring.

The reason you are banned is because you have taken on a practice that risks offense to those for whom I have a certain personal responsibility. You have crossed a line of behavior that is not allowed here. In fact, you are helping me to define what should and should not be allowed. Your idiotic behavior is offensive, destructive, and in very very bad form.

You are examples of what is wrong with the blogosphere.

Bugger off. Oh, and go fuck yourselves.
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5 07 2007
NanceConfer

Banned? Was there some suggestion that I was even paying attention to this asshole? Oh well, good to know I won’t have to post on a blog that isn’t worth posting on. . .

Nance

5 07 2007
Rolfe Schmidt

Ha! That comment is one he can be proud of! Can I join the cabal? It sounds so mysterious and powerful…

I guess libelous attacks on minors on his site are good fun, but suggesting that someone might not exist on your site is an unacceptable threat. Maybe the real offense was that you didn’t generate traffic for him. It is kind of funny that he just gave out more information about his commenters than your whole Patriot-Act-Style investigation turned up. You must have struck a nerve there, JJ.

I didn’t really think those commenters were puppets before now (OK, maybe I thought there was a grad student or two), but this reaction has got to raise an eyebrow or two.

It’s getting hard to treat GL charitably. If I can’t do that, I’d rather just ignore.

5 07 2007
NanceConfer

Oooh, cool. I’ve never been part of a cabal before! We need some grand plan though. What are we plotting? 🙂

Nance

5 07 2007
JJ

The IBBC?
Ignoring Bad Behavior Cabal?

5 07 2007
JJ

Or IBBC could stand for I’ve Been Banned Cabal?
I’d Better Be Careful??

5 07 2007
JJ

Really good thinking and learning link btw Rolfe. The C can stand for “charity” as a critical method of argument analysis, and/or context, conflating and confusing, community, collective, cultures, convincing, creationism?

Even a Latin phrase we all know in English but I’ll bet few of us encounter as a “c” — ceteris paribus. Guesses without Googling, anybody (but Rolfe)?

This wonderful link is full of apt “c”s!

5 07 2007
COD

If I’m reading this correctly – he just confirmed your thesis re: the sock puppets on his site, and then banned you for it 🙂 That’ll teach you to be right!

The guy can not mention the word homeschooling without trying to drag me into somehow. It must really be pissing him off that I’ve (somewhat uncharacteristically) stayed above the fray lately!

I’d love to see a link to this alleged “absolutely appalling behavior” I’m accused of engaging in.

5 07 2007
Nance Confer

So would I! it would make the cabal so much more interesting. 🙂

ceteris paribus – gosh – umm — circular reasoning??

Nance

5 07 2007
JJ

Good guess — but no. 🙂
It’s something we say all the time in education arguments and thinking through decisions.

I was reminded earlier how much this online discussion thing (and politics generally) is like sport. See full post here but the relevant part — what is cheating and disrespect in any given game, and how the blogger-coach types influence whether players compete honorably and effectively — with character (or not) goes like this:

“For example, each sport
is defined by its rules which establish how one is to compete
legitimately. When athletes deliberately break the constitutive rules of
a particular sport they have violated what it means to compete on a fair
and level playing field (Arnold, 1994).

As another example, Clifford and
Feezel (1997) have stressed the importance of respect for one’s
opponent. They proposed that all competitive athletes need good and
challenging opponents to excel. This necessitates that players respect
their opponents rather than treat them as a means to an end. Athletes
may also uphold the moral value of honesty by not attempting to use
performance enhancing drugs deceptively, or they may demonstrate
compassion by not intentionally attempting to injure their opponent to
gain an advantage.

In sum, these types of examples suggest competitive
sport is a ripe environment for developing moral values and moral character.

However, morally idealistic notions of sport as a medium for developing
moral character have been glaringly contradicted. Many athletes and
coaches appear to believe winning is all that matters even if it means
cheating or seriously harming one’s opponent. Trash talking, diving in
soccer (pretending to be tripped), steroid use, intentional injury,
running up the score, and intimidation tactics (e.g., the “brush back”
pitch in baseball) are illustrative of the problem (“A Purpose,” 1999;
Dixon, 1993; “Fake or Foul?,” 2006; Fraleigh, 1982; Lumpkin et al., 2003).

Unethical behavior by coaches has been particularly alarming considering
the influence they may have on their players (Guivernau & Duda, 2002;
Kavussanu, Roberts, & Ntoumansis, 2002; Stephens & Bredemeier, 1996).”

5 07 2007
JJ

Btw Nance the rough Latin translation as we often see it, appears in that passage I just quoted, see if it jumps out at you . . .

6 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

Wow. That was some comment, eh? I do find it interesting that cmf pops up every time you comment, and then slams YOU for following Greg around.

Greg says //The so-called Evolved Homeschooler cabal is engaged in harassment and investigation of whomever disagrees with them// which as far as I can see is only Greg Laden. I don’t recall seeing you guys all over the internet harassing people who disagree with you, but then again, I’m not around much.

I stopped posting on his site months ago when I realized that his issues are deep and he doesn’t really want to hear the other side of the story (and I got sick of his cmf sock puppet).

Since he himself was homeschooled and he continues to follow this path of seeing homeschoolers as abusers, I can only assume that he was an abused homeschooler and he’s trying to fight back. What a shame that he can project his situation onto others so easily. He’s most likely correct that SOME people do what most likely happened to him, but that would have to be the very tiny minority of people (unless I’m just way too naive to get it).

So sorry you’ve been banned. **sniffle sniffle**

6 07 2007
JJ

(buzzer sounds)

” . . .ceteris paribus—all other things being equal” or as construed by our sports-dominated culture, the level playing field.

6 07 2007
NanceConfer

Banned! And apparently all because I wasn’t playing on a level playing field. Or never played any sports at all. Which is closer to the truth.

Thanks for the comforting sniffle. I’ll just have to tough it out somehow. . . 🙂

Nance

P.S. So is that what we have to do, JJ, to CMF | http://www.thegal@yahoo.com | IP: 75.161.184.37, Penelope T. Rax | http://www.theguy@yahoo.com | IP: 75.161.191.153, CMF | http://www.thegal@yahoo.com | IP: 75.161.191.153, cmf | http://www.thegal@yahoo.com | IP: 75.161.191.153 — ban them somehow? Or do we just delete their/his garbage as it appears in the holding area? Is deleting the only fix? Because, really, the posts sent from those addresses are pretty disgusting and I’d rather not have to read them at all, rather they just never made it into my inbox.

6 07 2007
JJ

Hi NotJC — how true this is: “I do find it interesting that cmf pops up every time you comment, and then slams YOU for following Greg around.”

Btw like you and COD, Nance and I haven’t even been attempting to comment at Greg Laden’s blog so there’s nothing to ban. Maybe it means the Snook trackbacks won’t post when I dutifully link what I comment on here — that would be my preference anyway, so good. 🙂

OTOH, you should see the seven spittle-soaked rants right now sitting in moderation here, all from cmf’s IP address signed either cmf or Penelope T Rax using two different yahoo email accounts. Identical style and fixation on sex as insult and abusive assumptions about girls and women, to the original Laden-fostered troll “hazmatix” and “hazmatox” who started all this drama by attacking my minor daughter first at GL’s blog, followed us here and to Culture Kitchen. Later “cmf” pretended to be another poster talking with the haz-sig as if it were perfectly rational discourse, and echoing its worst abuses; he called my daughter vagina-obsessed at GL’s and then took up the pursuit and proliferation of personae, to Rolfe’s, sam’s and baiting us here.

I took it to Greg privately about a month ago, saying these creeps were dangerous and well, creepy. Greg was unconcerned about an innocent homeschooled girl being defamed by anonymous pervert online, said he didn’t know who anybody was for sure but but I shouldn’t worry about cmf, maybe it would all go away if I would just be quiet.
I see Greg’s new comments say he attended Catholic school where the students were beaten. Maybe that’s what led to any years he spent “homeschooling” or traveling or whatever? Assuming any of this was ever any more real than “LonelyGirl15” who he apparently has been emulating in hopes of being a tour de force online?

Whatever — I’m thinking something good educationally speaking may have happened despite us all. Greg Laden has done an about-face in his storyline, and taken up the loving parent- educator’s ultimate commitment for himself! Now his battle cry is protecting his own family and friends from cruel, offensive strangers LOL. So like home education parents, he too feels that personal drive to protect his own friends and loved ones from interferences and outright threats in the public arena?

Good!

6 07 2007
JJ

Let me go see what I can do with wordpress Nance, I think I can . . . or COD can help me, if he’s really not you and me put together! 😉

Sure makes the old NHEN-HEM-AHA days seem tame, when we were accused of nothing worse than you being on some secret charter payrolls and me being Hitler, oh and ROFL — the dreaded Delphi Technique!

6 07 2007
JJ

On a serious note to NotJC – good point, that it does always come back to child abuse in its many horrific mental and corporal forms, something that must be intensely personal for the main commenters in hs threads there (counting both Greg and CMF.)

So another inadvertent lesson of all this might be as wrenching evidence of how deep and permanent the abusive scars inflicted on children can be, even in the name of God or School, and even to future scientists, professors and otherwise good citizens.

6 07 2007
JJ

Nance – I think I took care of it.

6 07 2007
COD

If you put the IP addresses in the banned words field of WordPress it *should* block any comment from that address. In my experience though, it doesn’t always work as advertised. That was several WP versions ago though – maybe it is more consistent now.

6 07 2007
JJ

Thanks Chris, that’s just what I did. Wanna pretend to be a real creep and see if it works? 🙂

6 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

I believe (based on stuff I’ve read) cmf, hazmatix/hazmatox, penelopetrax, raptorlove, sqeekyskweel/sqeekysqkweel, gladiator, and yes, even Angry Harry are all the same person. The http://www.thegal email address is clearly linked to hazmatix on feministing.com, so the hazmatix/cmf link is a no-brainer.

Did you know that GL posts as darwin66 on feministing.com? What a coincidence that hazmatix also posts there.

You are correct about how deeply abuse hurts people.

6 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

LOL! My post didn’t show up cuz it contained ALL the unwanted stuff. 😉

6 07 2007
JJ

A neat piece of sleuthing (research?) thanks, NotJC — maybe we ARE a formidable cabal when we pool our resources. That was a post well worth retrieving.

But how creepy, maybe a general alert to feminist sites is in order then. Why the heck would a misogynistic stalker post at feministing? — can’t be for any good reason. Nance don’t you read there ? Liza does and she knows the management. Purposely rigging the data to spoil the results in other folks’ labs sure doesn’t strike me as ethical science.

6 07 2007
Nance Confer

I read at feministing but don’t remember if I have posted. It’s certainly possible. 🙂

But it is more sinister sounding now that NotJC has connected even more dots.

The next time the giant feminist cabal meets we should alert everyone! 🙂

Nance

6 07 2007
JJ

No rush, feminists everywhere could be safe for the rest of the summer — Greg Laden’s blog just went on hiatus for some major trip, one he must’ve known was imminent while he was harmonizing with the sock drawer and banning us. (Funny, Daryl went to Germany and didn’t have a blog melt-down before he went!)

OTOH, what if this just dumps CMF and the sock puppets out all over the Tubes looking for other playgrounds? Maybe we’d all better get busy blocking and banning . . .

6 07 2007
NanceConfer

Good riddance. Maybe he’ll discover some new hobby on vacation.

We were getting to the point of having an actual conversation on an earlier thread — https://cockingasnook.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/sock-puppetry-at-home-for-fun-and-profit/#comments — past the garbage and down where Rolf talks about the idea of the blog tour.

Deanne has a good take on some ideas that would fit in that tour — http://learningalwaysandallways.blogspot.com/2007/07/happy-4th-of-july.html — and the rest of her blog.

A happier note to end the day on anyway. 🙂

Nance

7 07 2007
JJ

Nance and Deanne – yes, fraught with freedom! 🙂
Revolutionary parenting, hmm, much like Rolfe’s “radical act” home education? Sensing a theme big enough to get us busy for years!

Actually a few years back, our dear math professor fellow unschool mom Pam Sorooshian, conceived of a serious collaborative effort to consider the underlying principles of true home education “independence” and we were invited to play along. We had some really wonderful seminar-like conversations and insights. Let me go back over some of that and see if I can post some catalysts for fresh discussion later today . . .

Although the Wimbledon finals are this weekend, just sayin’!

7 07 2007
Rolfe Schmidt

Thanks for that link to Deanne’s blog, I enjoyed it. I still believe that this country can be free as advertised, but not if we all sit back quietly.

I still don’t know what to make of all the commenter issues. Abuse does seem to be pretty personal for some people. I was paddled more than enough in public school, but had a great situation at home so it didn’t really get to me. But oops, my mom was in la leche league so she must have been the one who was really abusing me… I’m so confused 😉

Well, I’ll be ready to move on to those happier notes!

7 07 2007
Rolfe Schmidt

Actually I do have a bit more to say about the GL comments. Obviously Greg is angry, and that is understandable given the tone of the discussion. And if these commenters really are people he knows and cares about, then discussions like this one will make him that much more angry.

It has not brought out the best in him.

I hope that this will give him a chance to see how COD, JJ, and others feel when commenters on his site start attacking them and their families. It is not funny and it makes people very angry. He can do what he wants to do, but I think he’d do well to distance himself from that sort of nonsense. He’s been reluctant to do that so far.

I actually think that Greg’s view of home education has changed significantly since he started writing about it, thanks largely to the comments of “the cabal”. But this isn’t really about homeschooling anymore, it’s about getting even or something like that.

I’d love to think that everyone could be generous with apologies and be friendly. But I don’t see that happening. If GL ignores the cabal and the cabal ingores him, I think we will all be better off.

OK, enough of all that. I have a deck to repair so on to real concerns…

7 07 2007
JJ

I’m readying a post about some bar exam lawsuit in MA, having been tipped off by “zuzu.” In the process I wandered through hundreds of feministe comments about zusu’s pseudononymous but distinctly civil persona and saw this apt assessment from a leftie persona who blogs as “paperweight”:

* The couple times I’ve tracked down jackass trolls (100% purely public sources — mostly Google), I’ve mostly found that they’re more pathetic than I could have imagined, and I just moved on.

Pseudonyms, names and labels are such a small and confounding part of real human stories. Understanding can’t even start until we learn that. Hmmm, that’s the problem with this silly lawsuit too, come to think of it, a rigid clueless guy using human names and labels like “homosexual” and “married” and “parent” instead of real understanding, insisting on words meaning what HE says, all of human identity defined and delimited by HIS law and rule.

7 07 2007
JJ

Young Son is watching The Princess Bride right now on DVD.

cmf Jul 5th, 2007 at 10:35 pm

Maybe, when JJ Ross, and Nance, who proudly use their real names all over the i-net get the mail—lots and lots and lots of mail— from those eChristian organizations, and those Nigerian 419’s I heard they signed up for, it might make all of their bitter broth look a little less toxic;-)

hehhe….oh, dammit, even I have ethics;-)

Ethics?
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. . . .”

7 07 2007
COD

So CMF just admitted to a felony. I’d hang on to that email – it’s what they call a “smoking gun.”

I have to disagree with Rolf. GL keeps saying that his opinion has changed, but has he ever actually written a post where he refutes his previous statements that homeschooling should be illegal, and that no college should admit a homeschooler? (Both with the original caveat that it would be fine if we restructure home education to Greg’s whims)

7 07 2007
JJ

Chris — I’m with you, and glad you are there.

ANd it wasn’t an email, but an open post at that blog.

7 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

I saw that post the other day and was surprised that he’d write something like that so openly. OK, not so surprised.

7 07 2007
Rolfe Schmidt

COD: you’re right, he’s made a lot of bold statements that he hasn’t renounced. I think he has a more positive view of home education than he used to have, but I guess it isn’t positive enough to make it worth keeping legal. From what I can tell, he used to think that all homeschoolers were young-earth-shelter-your-kids-from-knowledge-fundamentalists. He doesn’t think that anymore. Does it matter? Maybe not.

7 07 2007
JJ

It’s hard to care, frankly. Where’s the potential payoff? I see none. . .

OTOH, I’m running up against the same mindset on the feminist left, and I wonder whether home education needs to repudiate both wings, and go for its own ground between the extremes?

7 07 2007
Rolfe Schmidt

I think that you guys convinced Greg that there are good things about home education. Enough to convince him that it should be legal and that our kids should go to college? I guess not. I still think it is a good thing. Just not good enough to justify all of the nastiness that followed. Yes, at this point it is hard to care, and I’m just an observer.

But I think it doesn’t hurt to keep trying to change people’s minds, on the feminist left or anywhere else. I’d just bail out as soon as I get a comment from “Bubba” et al.

Home education shouldn’t chain itself to any political group. I see no reason to think that the “left” or the “right” is going to agree with me on most issues. And most homeschoolers are going to disagree with me about most things I say. But there are some things we agree on and we should focus on those.

7 07 2007
JJ

Rolfe said:
“But there are some things we agree on and we should focus on those.”

No argument that this makes good sense. Can we identify what those things are?

8 07 2007
Alasandra

Alas GL has a soul mate on Daily Kos kestrel9000
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/7/165830/9575

8 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

Unfortunately, I think there are a lot of people who think that way. Too bad they can’t open their minds a little. **sigh**

For awhile, I thought Greg was coming around in his thinking, but he continued to post conflicting stuff. That’s when I stopped visiting his blog. I found it tiresome. Really, I don’t see a lot of things we agree on. And that last thing he posted that JJ shows here was pretty over the top.

I’m moving on.

8 07 2007
JJ

Sigh.
Now learning and thinking has become drilling holes in kids’ teeth?

8 07 2007
COD

Except that if you are a parent, you are educator, no matter what the government tells you.

9 07 2007
Alasandra

Oh the government is pretty quick to tell parents that it’s their responsibility to make sure the kids do their homework, make sure the kids understand the material the teacher covered in school and oh yeah the parents are suppose to ‘teach’ the kids all the material they were suppose to learn in ___ grade, but the teacher didn’t get around to for one reason or another, over the summer break.

It makes you wonder why anyone sends their kids to public schools.

COD you are right we educate our kids from the day they are born rather we do it intentionally or unintentionally.

9 07 2007
JJ

Perfect segue, thanks! 🙂
– see my new post above, “School Rule, From Bong Hits4Jesus to the New Harry Potter Movie” so we can continue this with new fodder in comments there.

9 07 2007
NanceConfer

NotJuneCleaverSleepsUntilpmeveryday | purtyboy1@msn.com | IP: 160.94.237.153

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For those who want to know and may want to block this creepy writer on their sites, here’s the latest address we received garbage from. This is CMF writing under another clever name from another email address with the same vile temper.

Nance

9 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

I remember when I first found GL’s blog, he remarked about a post I made on my blog about staying in our jammies all day. There was nothing in that post about what time we actually wake up (which is usually 7:30, but that was irrelevant to the point I was making in my post). I think it is pretty funny that he is concerned about my sleeping habits. Is he ever going to tire of posting stuff? What’s the point?

P.S. That IP is from University of Minnesota

9 07 2007
Nance Confer

They must be so proud.

But I thought he was on vacation. . . .

Oh, well, the vagaries of the internuts. . . .

Nance

9 07 2007
Not June Cleaver

Oh, and by “he” I was referring to his loyal fan, not GL himself.

I like that term “internuts.”

9 07 2007
JJ

Ok all – 50 comments seems like a nice round number for this post to me. Troll food dispenser is empty for now, okay? I don’t want any of you to become stalking or identity theft targets on a University of Minnesota computer, and get pulled into the investigation.




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