Is Turkey More Enlightened and Braver Than Our Shining Nation?

1 03 2008

Our secular state has been going in exactly the opposite direction (backward!) since we started this new millennium. Wonder if we could get scholars to come reinterpret all that’s backward and wrong being read into ancient sacred texts by political powerbrokers here, and thereby save OUR secular, modern society from radical theocratic fundamentalism?

. . .the Turkish state has come to see the Hadith as having an often negative influence on a society it is in a hurry to modernise, and believes it responsible for obscuring the original values of Islam. . .
It says that a significant number of the sayings were never uttered by Muhammad, and even some that were need now to be reinterpreted.
. . . The argument is that Islamic tradition has been gradually hijacked by various – often conservative – cultures, seeking to use the religion for various forms of social control.

Leaders of the Hadith project say successive generations have embellished the text, attributing their political aims to the Prophet Muhammad himself. . .

When you read this transcript — I heard it this morning on NPR’s Saturday morning BBC feed — notice how they are actively and publicly “educating” society on this modern scholarship, with the team of 450 women sent into the sparsely populated interior of the nation to teach a more socially responsive and responsible religion, that doesn’t really say women are inferior and made to submit to dominionists and abusers. (Nance and I can’t do this all by ourselves, just talking with homeschoolers online, you know, but we’re trying!) 😉
Quick, someone call the paternalist Texas megachurches before Tuesday’s primary! Your faith has been hijacked and enough thinking women so inclined, can use social contagion science to take back both Church and State!




6 responses

1 03 2008

“The argument is that Islamic tradition has been gradually hijacked by various – often conservative – cultures, seeking to use the religion for various forms of social control.”

Gee, good thing we never have any of that around here! 🙂

Also from the article:

“You can find messages which say ‘that is what the Prophet ordered us to do’. But you can show historically how they came into being, as influences from other cultures, that were then projected onto Islamic tradition.”

Where where did you THINK all religious rules came from?


1 03 2008

You know Favorite Daughter is taking a college religion course this term, and just eating it up? This story grabbed her and she started telling me all sorts of things I didn’t know (I didn’t even know how to spell “Hadith” when I was Googling for the story, but she did!)

1 03 2008

Sounds like a course most of us could use!


2 03 2008

Too bad christianity does not go through another reformation. But then again there is always the chance they can go more fundamentalist than liberal in their dogma. We certainly don’t need more of that! JJ & Nance: I would like to hear what you have planned.

2 03 2008
Nance Confer

One thing I certainly don’t plan on is getting any sort of legal or other input from Judy Aron and friends.

I have been trying to figure out for a few days how I should respond to your post about the great invasion from the north — you link to Judy’s post here — — and she links to other right-wing blogs and websites, like WorldNetDaily.

There’s more to any story than what these wingnuts write and sometimes that includes actual facts.

I don’t know one thing about the Northern Command agreement with the Canada Command but I know I do not trust these sources.

So there’s something to consider. Where do each of us draw the line after repeatedly finding either a source (WND) or a person (Judy) are fact-challenged or so strident in their approach to every blasted issue that it all boils down to the same thing for them — whether it’s religion or waving the flag until everyone else is nauseous.

I know I don’t trust the folks in Judy’s circle. Not if I want an open-minded, balanced look at any issue. If I want to be told that I am threatened as a hser and an American, I can rely on them to tell me that.


2 03 2008

I’m afraid I agree, from experience, that there are particular conservative Christian homeschoolers we’ve come across in our online and IRL adventures, whose prim and um, “traditionalist” and anti-intellectual politics I find more threatening to our diverse and individual freedoms than whatever they are claiming to protect me from.

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