Godwin’s Law Shuts Down Homeschool Politics!

25 07 2008

So I guess the online homeschooler political conversation is over, and anyone who took this seriously, lost?

“Perhaps Obama doesn’t seek to exterminate anyone – but who is he really?”

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25 07 2008
JJ

For all THINKING Parents, read more about Godwin’s Law, and how and why it affects us, by Mike Godwin himself. (Some of you may still have been teenagers with nascent frontal lobes back when he wrote this.)

For even more advanced thinkers old or young now teaching their children well to do the same, read this with the time you save not talking with those who can’t and don’t. . .

25 07 2008
Daryl Cobranchi

I think Obama’s candidacy has completely unhinged the entire right side of the homeschooling blogosphere. Talk about pollution!!!

25 07 2008
JJ

LOL – a commenter called “TC” just posted the following there, wonder if it will be allowed to stay up?

“Like Hitler, Jesus uses simple messages to win over people.
Like Hitler, Jesus seeks to disband freedoms.
Like Hitler, Jesus supporters faint and cry when he speaks.
Like Hitler, Jesus campaigns on hope.
Like Hitler, Jesus speaks of change.
Like Hitler, Jesus campaigns on unity.
Like Hitler, Jesus is popular in a time of economic weakness.
Like Hitler, Jesus has an emblem/seal.
Like Hitler, Jesus targets youth.”

Fixed for pointing out how many straws you’re grasping at.”

And so I wonder if it’s the whole “right” or just those who believe religion and reason are mutually exclusive human practices. Based on the unhinged Catholic mob clamoring to lynch a brash young college student and condemn a university biology professor to eternal torment, I’m thinking Religion makes for some pretty ignorant Politics.

25 07 2008
Crimson Wife

Personally, I believe that it speaks volumes about Obama’s lack of a substantial legislative record that so many people are absolutely determined to see him as the next Hitler/JFK/Jesus/etc. He’s like a tabula rasa onto which people project their hopes or fears…

25 07 2008
JJ

You may have something there, CW.

Regardless of why, we do seem to project hopes and fears onto him somehow. The last public figure I really remember us doing that to so passionately, was probably Elian Gonzales?
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EDIT Sunday morning — or Terri Schiavo, talk about a blank slate, neither she nor Elian could speak for themselves so they were perfect political focal points for us all. But Obama isn’t a blank slate in any real way — not a child or non-English speaker, not a woman in a coma or dependent of the courts. How then can we intellectually justify speaking about him as if he WERE? Rush Limbaugh talks about him as if he were a complete idiot and calls him “Little Barry” . . . I hate to bring up the way grown black men were infantalized in the South I was born into but I have to wonder how much of that, is behind much of this.

26 07 2008
JJ Ross

So if it’s not really about Obama but ourselves, as we project all this meaning from inside our own lives onto him, what DOES it all mean?

This election I personally am in touch with the hope side, not the fears. But I’ve been fear-filled in several past elections and boy, it’s a dark place to be, not reasonable even to a mind so nimble with, and exalting of, reason as mine!

Political fear seems very real while I’m wallowing in it, as my mind grasps around for seemingly sufficient cause to justify the darkness I’m suffering. After it’s over, it seems relatively simple to see how the fear came first, and got projected out onto whatever was handy. It’s a good time to figure out what I learned if anything, from that darkness and how I rationalized it, blaming my fears on celebrity politicians I never met and don’t know and never will. Then at least when the next hope and fear cycle rolls around, maybe a little more educated self-examination is possible even in the thick of it all. 🙂

So what’s up with the fearful in this election? I see a clue in the American Thinker article highlighted in the unhinged homeschool Hitler post:

In the absence of any genuine explanations from candidate Obama himself, the change of which he speaks reasonably may be inferred to be quite antithetical to anything even remotely resembling American patriotism.

Fisk that sentence and it’s so clear, isn’t it? An author who considers herself a real “American Thinker” *literally* says it outright:
In the absence of anything we personally feel is genuine, it is REASONABLE to infer that our deepest irrational fears are not only reasonable but real. So the blank tablet nearest at hand — the person we can most readily objectify to carry all those fears — deserves them, and must be the Evil Other who God warned us to beware!

(Lucifer is mentioned just above Fear of Obama, apparently in case a few readers still need racheting up to full-bore stripping of their thinking grooves.)

26 07 2008
Dawn

“He’s like a tabula rasa onto which people project their hopes or fears…”

I wonder if that’s a function of his charisma too? We tend to look at charisma as a positive force, something that attracts people. What if it simply attracts feelings? Hope and goodwill if you agree with the charismatic ficgure, hate and fear if you don’t? We’ve had a few charasmatic leaders up here (Pierre Trudeau for instance) and the dynamic seems to be people loved him or they (like my parents) loathed him.

Maybe charisma is like emotional flypaper…And we have to remember it has two sides.

26 07 2008
Nance Confer

First, I reject the “blank slate” talking point. It is an easy matter to Google Obama’s legislative record. You may not like it and it may not be a big as McCain’s but size isn’t what we are supposed to vote for. Is it?

Next, the link above to the scurrilous blog linking a Presidential candidate to Nazis made me think of the old bit about Lincoln and Kennedy. You know, how many things they had in common. This — http://www.school-for-champions.com/history/lincolnjfk.htm — is the kind of crap that some people think is meaningful history.

And, as you point to, JJ, the absence of any genuine plan is in the eye of the beholder. Some of us bother to look at what a candidate has on his website, etc., seeing what we like and don’t like, and some wait to have information spoonfed, sans ambiguity and, often, accuracy. When the pap is not served, they can screech about having no idea what Obama stands for.

It must be an altogether frightening time to be a Republican. Some members of that party have spent the last two terms having their “news” written by the White House and spoonfed by Fox. Now, to suddenly have to shift to grownup mode may be asking too much.

Nance

26 07 2008
Nance Confer

I agree, Dawn, that charisma can be a tricky, sticky thing. I think a lot of Democrats are going to be disappointed after the election that the guy they fell in love with is not a liberal as they imagine. The charisma thing goes both ways.

Nance

26 07 2008
JJ

Yep. And again, I think it helps to have lived through many cycles in both hope and fear. This election really must feel just HUGE for people who can’t remember anything but Clinton and Bush. No wonder some young+er homeschool moms now sound so afraid there’s no answer at all.

I actively dislike “party” as a way of dividing us up into antagonistic sides, haven’t been in one for for 25 years or so, and I don’t often care about the personalities either. I was prepared to go for Unity 08 this time without any candidates or issues, just because I was looking for a different approach to the usual.

Then Obama’s race speech this spring won me over. He seemed like the best chance for change. I snicker when his enemies say people like me must be “mesmerized” by him. I take justice and reason hard, in terms of which arguments are being advanced and whether they are reasonable and well-made, not necessarily how they turn out even, much less who’s on what side. This UCF thing is really annoying me and I keep trying to really figure it out.

I took the Elian thing hard. I took the OJ Simpson verdict hard (I watched hundreds of hours of that trial!). But I don’t think I’ve taken a presidential election really hard EVER — well, 2000 was tough because it was all about my state’s laws and officials in the capital, where I live, but mostly because both sides were being such losers and making obviously bogus claims, not because I was in love with, or incensed by, either guy. 🙂

26 07 2008
Crimson Wife

According to the GovTrack.us website, only 2 bills sponsored by Sen. Obama have been successfully enacted. Both were resolutions; one designated July 12, 2007 as “National Summer Learning Day” and the other celebrated the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson of the Church of God in Christ.

Not exactly my definition of a “substantial” legislative record…

27 07 2008
NanceConfer

CW, I suggest you keep Googling.

The same site shows McCain has not had any bills passed — http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?tab=bills&id=300071.

Surely, in his many years in the Senate, McCain has done something!

This site did have one of those cool cloud things called Political Spectrum — http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd. I’m not sure how accurate it could be though — it places Joe Lieberman in the liberal camp.

Oh, well, there’s a lot of info out there. It’s just not all good info.

Nance

27 07 2008
JJ

About charisma, John (and Bobby) Kennedy, probably Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwartzenegger, could teach us something too.

And despite all the microanalysis of voting demographics etc, I think oddly it’s not so much about who manages to attract us individually as attracting us as “the people” — not individuals as much as the collective society — in this certain historical time and cultural place.

As an individual I feel like I’ve been out of the mainstream collective consciousness for so long, and so it’s strange now to feel more “in” it.

Did I change, or did the times, and candidates, and other people? Yes.

27 07 2008
JJ

Oh Nance, I remember that Kennedy-Lincoln thing, is it really online now? It literally gave me goosebumps when I was in the fifth grade! 🙂

Which would’ve been the 1960s y’all —

27 07 2008
Nance Confer

Here’s something that I just saw online that may be fun if useless —

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-27-candidates-age-gap_N.htm

Not the gratuitous shot at McCain’s age but the Candidate Match Game. It looks snazzy and that may be as much as you get out of it. 🙂

Nance

27 07 2008
JJ

Btw I have a huge scoop for Snook I’ll be posting today — McCain’s VP pick! And I can prove it with “evidence” I’ve observed.

No, I haven’t been bugging their campaign strategy sessions, just figured it out from my own reading and thinking (maybe they’ll read my idea online and grab it, then accuse me of spying!)

27 07 2008
Nance Confer

Someone young, not-so-white, a popular Governor, evangelical. . . what other gaps does McCain need to fill?

I can hardly wait to find out, JJ! 🙂

Nance

27 07 2008
Crimson Wife

Nance, I don’t know what you’re talking about. GovTrack says that Sen. McCain has had 31 bills successfully enacted since 1/21/93, which doesn’t even take into consideration his previous decade serving in Congress.

30 07 2008
McCain Approves Ad Linking Britney and Paris To Hitler (and Jesus?) « Cocking A Snook!

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