Watching the Debate

15 10 2008

LOL – and the current question is, why would your running mate be better than your opponent’s as president?

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15 10 2008
JJ

Looking a the moderator (who McCain just “corrected” as if he’s the smartest guy on the stage, that it was climate change and not climate control) — I got to wondering why Bob Schieffer looks so old and so I Googled his birthdate. Yes, he does look like death warmed over but he was born the year AFTER John McCain.

16 10 2008
Nance Confer

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/spread-the-weal.html

Here’s one more reason I like Obama.

This is a link to the talk Obama had with “Joe the Plumber.” Who, it seems, may or may not be registered to vote. But whether he is or not, he had a legitimate question and, getting to the part where I like Obama, Obama answered him and said: “Here’s my answer, it may not be what you want to hear, I may not get your vote, but here’s my answer.”

And Joe the Plumber didn’t seem to be agreeing with Obama’s thinking but he wasn’t mad about anything that I could tell. Not by the end of the conversation. Not after listening to a guy who may be saying something different from what you started off thinking you wanted to hear or expected to hear but, in the end, sounds reasonable, who may have better news for you than you expected even if not in the terms you like to hear. I’m not really sure why McCain thought this was a good thing to bring up — aside from spinning the one “spread the wealth around” line, the crowd seemed to be into Obama’s message and even Joe the Plumber was taking it in and actually exchanging information with Obama, not just sound bites.

As for the debate, I thought it was the best of the bunch. I liked the format and I liked how the moderator managed things — kept them on point, moved things along.

I thought McCain did better in this one. He doesn’t, apparently, know the difference between autism and Down’s Syndrome, he thinks he should be in charge of my daughter’s uterus, he looked cranky by the end and was wrong on the issues but he started off strong and was better than before. Not saying much but. . .

Obama was Obama — calm and correct.

Nance

16 10 2008
JJ

Morning-after commentary about what Republican men really think but usually don’t come right out and say:
Joe The Plumber: Obama Tap Dances Like “Sammy Davis Jr.”

You probably won’t believe it if you don’t see it yourself at the link.

16 10 2008
Nance Confer

Ah, and there I was having kind thoughts about Joe.

I even posted about it earlier but the tubes ate my post, I guess.

The original talk with Obama is interesting to watch, if you get the chance. Obama does a good job of explaining his position, Joe seems to listen and learn, though now it seems he may or may not be registered to vote and may or may not be as undecided as originally suggested.

At any rate, Obama was terrific last night — calm and correct — and McCain did better than I thought he could.

Nance

16 10 2008
Crimson Wife

We aren’t voting for who we’d want to be Vice President, we’re voting for who we want to have the top job. It’s not like here in CA where the Lt. Governor is elected separately from the Governor (which can make things quite interesting!)

Sen. Biden is absolutely more qualified to be President than Gov. Palin. Even the most die-hard Republicans I know would admit to that much. But that’s not the real issue. The question is whether or not Sen. Obama has the necessary experience to be President. He would not have the luxury of any on-the-job training from a veteran politician but would need to be ready to run the country right from Day 1.

This is the first time I can remember any major party nominating such a rookie politician to be its candidate for President. Dan Quayle and John Edwards were both fairly young and inexperienced, but like Sarah Palin they were in the #2 slot. Even JFK had been a congressman for 7 years, more than twice as long as Obama.

16 10 2008
Nance Confer

And yet a lot of people see Obama as presidential. As opposed to old and out of touch and cranky.

So, we’ll see what happens.

Nance

16 10 2008
JJ

Well, you know what the strict constitutional constructionists say! — about the actual qualifications to be president I mean.
Those who don’t mind quoting BIll Clinton anyway. 😉

17 10 2008
COD

Conservative icon Ronald Reagan had how many years of national political experience before becoming President?

17 10 2008
Nance Confer

But he was old so it’s OK?

And I believe McCain stole your line at last night’s Al Smith dinner, JJ. 🙂

Nance

17 10 2008
JJ

LOL – amazing how he knew I would think of it and said it first! Not a case of great minds thinking alike, though, unless maybe he has a smart and smart-alecky speechwriter? — and if that were so, why hasn’t he been using that person’s talents more, before this?? 😉

20 10 2008
Crimson Wife

Reagan was a governor for 12 years plus before that he was president of a large union for 9. So he wasn’t exactly wet-behind-the-ears when it came to politics.

Sen. Obama sure has excellent oratory skills; however, he’s not running for commencement speaker but POTUS.

21 10 2008
Betty Malone

I guess Colin Powell feels that Obama’s experience and skills and abilities and talents, oh, yes, the whole person..of Barack Hussein Obama..is excellent enough to be our POTUS. I too, liked the calm, reasonable, but very firm way that Colin Powell..said why he was endorsing Obama..And he spoke for me when he questioned why a 7 year old American Muslim could never believe that he could become president of our country one day.

I guess what I’ve been trying to avoid for so many years, out of genuine respect and love for my right wing Christian homeschool friends, can no longer be avoided. I have to take a stand on the opposite side and become the “devil” in their minds…just like Powell has done and Kathleen Parker and even last night on Chris Matthews…Michael Smerconish..and he said he’d already started getting the hate mail. I have to fully come out in open favor of the Democratic agenda for our country..and not be afraid of the shunning that is going to follow that choice. And so I ask, why is it, that for 10 years I have allowed my fellow Christian Right homeschoolers to hold their beliefs and still be able to love them and work with them, but they don’t allow me the same right or privilege or respect?

21 10 2008
JJ

Some good power of story points there, Betty, most importantly that this election isn’t just about choosing between individual personalities but changing the vision and direction (for all the parts of America) to restore what’s been so systematically pulled apart and plundered. The change Obama represents in thinking and approach doesn’t have a name yet, like the civil rights movement or the war on poverty, but whatever it is, I think it’s that tectonic. Generational. Historic.

Favorite Daughter and I were watching the PBS “American Experience” on LBJ last night (never one of my personal favorites — dad was Air Force and Republican like Barry Goldwater, and on the news every night it seemed like LBJ was destroying everything in my childhood south for his own presidential politics) and I was overwhelmed with new understanding, for LBJ as a man in extraordinary times sure, but also for how the larger crises and moral conflicts of the 60s parallel the present. I thought I’d already thought about all of that, but no! There’s so much more . . .

21 10 2008
JJ

Speaking of individual personalities though, America is growing increasingly clear on what we think and you’re in the new majority, Betty! 🙂

Mr. Obama’s favorability is the highest for a presidential candidate running for a first term in the last 28 years of Times/CBS polls. Mrs. Palin’s negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate as measured by The Times and CBS News. Even Dan Quayle, with whom Mrs. Palin is often compared because of her age and inexperience on the national scene, was not viewed as negatively in the 1988 campaign.

. . . as voters have gotten to know Senator John McCain, they have not warmed, with only 36 percent of voters saying they view him favorably while 45 percent view him unfavorably. Even voters who are planning to vote for Mr. McCain say their enthusiasm has waned.

21 10 2008
JJ

Check this out:
A woman canvassing for Obama in Wisconsin was punched in the face by a man ranting about ACORN. . .

The silver lining is that when the woman who had been assaulted returned to Chicago, there was already a voicemail message from Barack Obama expressing his sorrow that she had had to go through such an experience.

. . .The usual gang of conservative bigmouths are inciting violence with their propaganda, and the suckers who want desperately to believe are so frustrated with the lack of believability of the propaganda that they’re lashing out with violence and violent rhetoric.

Meanwhile, Obama has such a great organization that he heard about this small incident and contacted the victim before the end of the day. ”

Never mind blue-collar plumbers who can’t keep a wife or pay their own local taxes, never mind making faces and air-scare quotes about women’s “health” as just a red herring to the manly men on the Supreme Court, when did hitting women in the face for political power become an open strategy for McCain?? Whose story do YOU prefer? No contest. 🙂

22 10 2008
Debby

Canvassing this past weekend for Obama here in Florida has been one of the most rewarding things I’ve done lately. Of course, no one has punched me in the face….yet. But I’ve been canvassing in some really poor areas where many of the people are voting for the first time and are very excited.

CW: You do know that Senator Obama served several years in the Illinois State Senate before becoming running for the federal senate, right? (1997-2004) Illinois is a very diverse state and has a much larger population that Wasilla 🙂

It’s not like Obama sprung fully formed from the head of the DNC in 2004…

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