Crackers for Communion Crackers — AGAIN??

31 07 2009

How did I miss this earlier in the month? Jeez, it’s the Jeezits all over again! People who become so emotionally vested in the story of a symbolic object as to elevate it beyond all sense of proportion, beyond rule of law, beyond humanity, beyond all reason?

Did Prime Minister Pocket the Wafer? He Says No

“It’s not a symbol of the body and blood of Christ, but is in fact the body and blood of Christ,” said Neil MacCarthy, director of communications for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Toronto. . .

“We believe we are holding Jesus in our hands, so to put Jesus in your pocket or to put Jesus on the ground [is serious]. If it falls on the ground it has to be consumed.

“We never throw Jesus out,” Mr. MacCarthy said.

Although as mad as the PM is about the publicity and criticism, what’s Harper really got to complain about, compared to what happened to poor Florida public university student Webster Cook? After all, Harper wasn’t thrown out of his own religion’s services after inquisitors and spies made a scene, much less impeached by his own Senate and threatened with expulsion from his home institution!

And then he even gets to meet the Pope after his offense, despite the fact that he’s not even Catholic? There’s no justice . . .

Hey, wonder if that table for four in the White House rose garden serves wine and crackers instead of just beer? We could have the president, the pope, the prime minister and — Webster Cook, or should we give the fourth seat to Joe Biden again, and leave Cook odd-man-out the way the 9-1-1 caller got left out of yesterday’s get-together, hmmm.

Obama's Beer Garden NYT

Somebody should pray on it and let us know . . .

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31 07 2009
lori

One of the reasons I left the Catholic Church many moons ago was the idea that communion wafers were not symbolic but really the body of Jesus. Not only did I not believe it, but I was horrified to think that we had to treat the wafer with such reverence when it was handed to us, only to then eat it. I honestly don’t get it.

31 07 2009
JJ

I always thought it was a manners issue for non-Catholics. You know, going along to be polite (like covering your head for a service?) versus crashing a ritual by participating when you’re not considered eligible.

So putting myself in the PM’s place, I wonder which was best — refusing it in the first place, taking it and conspicuously eating it, taking it and discreetly eating it, taking it and then discreetly NOT eating it??

31 07 2009
JJ

Did you happen to see this, Lori? Not meant this way, yet very interesting in this context of an object literally transforming into loving human flesh and blood. Religion through the ages has been way more advanced at human psychology than we tend to credit imo.

The emotions we experience in being with our friends and lovers are being carried over — and sometimes even replaced — by mirrored feelings we develop for our favorite characters, toys, and objects. . . . our outside and inside realities are merging. . .our objects are not only mediating connection between us and others, but serving as a substitute for that very relationship.

Our relationships with objects, characters and avatars is always at a distance — we are interacting with the representation of something, rather than the thing itself. This arrangement results in a unique type of relationship — one that should be considered differently than a real-life interpersonal one.

31 07 2009
Mrs. C

OK, when Jesus was at the table at the Last Supper and said, “Take, eat, this is my body…” etc. chunks of the guy did not disappear. I have trouble understanding some Catholic doctrine; I really do. But if I went to their church for some function like a family wedding, I’d figure out what I had to do to be polite without participating.

1 08 2009
Jenn

Well it was for a funeral of a former Governor-general, he has no problem with communion. He just did it the way that he probably does it in his church and that means everybody “eats” together at the same time, but this has blown over weeks ago. Not such a big deal as the media would like it to be.

1 08 2009
JJ

Wonder why this is different from Webster Cook’s case then? Both cases involved politics — Cook was an active student senator and had enemies angling against him — in the way the aftermath unfolded.

Not such a big deal for Harper because unlike Cook, he insists he actually “ate” and therefore Catholics aren’t sending him death threats, you mean?

1 08 2009
Jenn

Are you serious??? This is like comparing oranges and apples.

Harper also did not go around trying to manipulate people to do things and use it for political advantage and to get meetings with church officials.

1 08 2009
JJ

Wasn’t he at that funeral as the top-ranking political figure? And what about the “church official” Harper got a meeting with right after? LMAO!

1 08 2009
JJ

Face it, Church and State really don’t mix and that’s the end of the Story — not in a school and not to rule, not when you drool, just not.

1 08 2009
boremetotears

Well, now you have me wondering about a rose garden communion summit that includes Joe Biden, who refuses to “touch a drop of alcohol.” Do you suppose he’d permit himself wine post-transubstantiation (after the wine became blood)? …But, wait. Isn’t Joe Biden a Catholic? Could I have stumbled upon the reason he can say he doesn’t drink alcohol? All this time, he *has* been drinking, but just calling it by another name: blood. …I’m confused, JJ… help me out here 😦

1 08 2009
JJ

Lynn, you are awesome! That power of story escaped me until you drew it out — yes, that hangs together. He MUST believe in Catholic transubstantiation and therefore he is being totally honest when he says untransubstatiated wine never has touched his lips even though he drinks blood.

1 08 2009
Jenn

Does Barack Obama need to have a faux pas to meet the pope?

1 08 2009
Jenn

Should Barack Obama be threatened with impeachment and a murder trial because he is not for intervening to rescue the life of a fetus that has survived an abortion?

1 08 2009
Jenn

Face it, Church and State really don’t mix and that’s the end of the Story — not in a school and not to rule, not when you drool, just not.

Political figures are not allowed to attend or have church funerals??

1 08 2009
Jenn

With us the Queen is the head of State and the head of the Church, so I guess state and church does mix here. The former GG who’s funeral it was is the representative of the Queen. Here it is not such a big deal and people generally have tolerance for each others point of view even if they don’t agree. Our Prime Minister does not have to turn tricks to get meetings with officials of other countries or churches.

1 08 2009
writestuff444

ROFL…Oh my God.. the line..”We never throw Jesus out,” said in complete seriousness about a piece of communion wafer that is made in a factory where probably lots of them fall on the floor and are swept up into the trash…or do they have a special human catcher who eats all the pieces that might not be good enough for the communion itself..and I just can’t stop laughing at that line.

Sort of like from Dirty Dancing. Nobody puts Baby in the corner..Nobody puts Jesus in their pocket for a snack later..ROFL…again!!

I know I’m being very irreverent here..I apologize to anyone who I’ve offended, but …I’m still laughing!

1 08 2009
JJ

Now you’re making ME laugh, all over again! 😀

Dirty Dancing indeed!

1 08 2009
JJ

Jenn, your Queen is a good example of how “ruling” isn’t really that cut-and-dried and neither are the “rules.” She is the head of state as a figurehead but she’s not actually hands-on governing. And I assume she isn’t actually running the Anglican Church fulltime either, the way the Pope runs the Catholic Church?

1 08 2009
Jenn

Uh hu, and what does that have to does that have to do with the PM getting an audience with the pope, because he is a PM and not some student senator trying to make a political statement.

1 08 2009
JJ

Jenn, I don’t know, you brought it up in the first place and nothing you’ve said has much to do with how I see the story — something about Cook angling for a meeting with the church official?

1 08 2009
Jenn

“Although as mad as the PM is about the publicity and criticism, what’s Harper really got to complain about, compared to what happened to poor Florida public university student Webster Cook? After all, Harper wasn’t thrown out of his own religion’s services after inquisitors and spies made a scene, much less impeached by his own Senate and threatened with expulsion from his home institution!

And then he even gets to meet the Pope after his offense, despite the fact that he’s not even Catholic? There’s no justice .”

You are not comparing the two? Forgive me for getting it mixed up. 😉

1 08 2009
JJ

Oh yes, I was definitely comparing them, in jest of course — so I think I see how you might have taken that. Before, I took your reference to mean you thought Cook had been angling for a meeting when he had his communion clash last summer and . . .oh never mind, doesn’t matter, I still stand with the jesters on this. But I’d like to laugh WITH you, not at you, as a Catholic and/or Canadian or just as a commenter anyway. 😉

And it looks like we have breaking Sarah Palin tabloid journalism to get back to! Seen this yet?? (cock of the snook to COD)

1 08 2009
JJ

Bummer for them to have to deny stuff like this and not be believed — maybe if they could just show their birth certificates?

2 08 2009
boremetotears

Phew. Good to hear that their opposite marriage remains in tact. The article teases, “(Sarah) has yet to tweet on the topic.” I’m looking forward to it; I’m sure it’ll read like poetry 🙂

2 08 2009
JJ

Don’t jump to conclusions in that direction either! 🙂
Check this out:


Sarah and Todd will not be making their break up official for some time.

There is too much money to be made to throw a monkey wrench into things now.

Money seems to be the motivating factor in many of Sarah’s recent decisions (Levi hit the nail on the head with that one.)

However Todd is currently sleeping on the couch and, though they are still occupying the same house, the temperature is below freezing, if you get my drift.

And another thing just learned is that Sarah wants to leave the state, but Todd has no intentions of leaving. . .

2 08 2009
Nance Confer

And the nation mourns. Or not. 🙂

Nance

2 08 2009
JJ

Well, there’s the nation and then there’s the REAL Americans. We just don’t all agree on what those words mean . . .

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