Okay, If It’s My State Too, You Wacko GodBots STOP!

21 08 2009

This is unacceptable.

Not even Catholic Jeb Bush ever went this far as Florida Governor, not on life-and-death hurricane protection (just on Terri Schiavo, sigh.)

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21 08 2009
Daryl Cobranchi

I’ve been praying for years to keep elephants from stampeding through my living room.

Prayer works!!!

21 08 2009
Crimson Wife

I don’t have a problem with him doing it, but he shouldn’t be using that action as a way to promote his re-election. If he wants to pray for his state to be spared damage from a major hurricane, I wish him all the best. But that’s between him and God, and nobody else should know about it….

22 08 2009
boremetotears

Don’t worry. The Kotel Team and I have your back.

Dear God,

Please protect JJ from the GodBots.

Thank you.

Yours truly,
Lynn

22 08 2009
Nance Confer

Exactly right, CW. If he thinks it worked, he can keep praying. But don’t the rest of us. And why offend those who don’t believe in that kind of prayer, and display, but are otherwise religious? Doesn’t seem like a smart move.

Nance

22 08 2009
JJ

Oh it’s smart politics I fear, for a nationally ambitious R in the Palin-Huckabee era. Crist always has been pitch-perfect, one of the most personable pols that government-watchdog types like DH and me (and DK Roberts e.g.) have ever seen. You have to give the guy credit. Pretty slick and probably it will work for him.

It’s just not smart as actual governance. Does he literally believe his prayers are the way to solve public policy problems, to fulfill his duties to serve and protect the population? Then he is literally dangerous at the helm. Or not? Then he is cynically pandering to those who do, making a deal with the — devil? — by magnifying their irrational say in public affairs over the majority of Americans who know better, so it’s still dangerous.

Sarah Palin at least seems to really believe her own ravings. . .

22 08 2009
JJ

Hey, maybe Snook will get to be Florida’s equivalent of MudFlats, and I can be Crist’s scathing nemesis, his Shanynn Moore?

How do you like “tiptoeing through tornadoes with nothing but a fortune-cookie prayer as public policy” for the new tagline? 😉

22 08 2009
Daryl Cobranchi

Drop the “fortune cookie.” Too long.

You’ll need a good URL, too. Cristcrossed.com is available. As is TheCristChronicles.com

I’m sure this group can come up with an even more biting one.

22 08 2009
Nance Confer

I’d go with the “cynical pandering” choice. You can’t swing a cat without hitting a church around here.

And I’m not so sure Palin is far removed from that.

Maybe I just can’t believe people believe this tripe to the point of basing important decisions on it. Sigh. . .

Off to the last tutoring sessions before J’s citizenship test. She seems to have a good head on her shoulders and is all about her son getting an education. Maybe there is hope for this country after all — even if it comes in a different language.

Nance

22 08 2009
JJ

Good , now we’re talkin’ — so okay, a new blog along the lines of “CristCrossed Politics: Alaska with a Tan and a Tebow”

22 08 2009
JJ

Nance, you sure are a good person to be such a non-pray-to-player. {{hug}}

22 08 2009
Mrs. C

I’m disappointed that he didn’t use the name of Jesus. “God” is so generic and safe.

But it doesn’t bother me that he mentioned God. Didn’t the Pilgrims do a whole, “Thanks to God that we didn’t starve this year” sort of a celebration back in the day?

And is it wrong if mentioning God gets him re-elected? Didn’t Obama run all over creation declaring how CHRISTIAN he was during the campaign?

Of course, now that he’s elected, he can talk of his “Muslim heritage.”

22 08 2009
JJ

Mrs C, here’s the thing. It means that when there IS a devastating hurricane like Katrina or just a really bad season like 2004, prayer or the failure thereof has to carry corresponding blame. And that is just voodoo witchcraft as public policy. In EFFECT I mean, the kind that when it’s believed by enough people and acted upon, gets people hurt, causes them to suffer and die.

Suppose he said he had prayed for all the children to be healthy and well-cared for, and publicly gave some heavenly father (by any of his earthly names) credit for responding — remember, as governor and potential US senator/presidential contender, not just some guy — until the Bird Flu or Swine Flu or HIV hits, or childhood obesity, ADHD and autism in schools uptrends. Then what? Do we want the thrust of leadership in public policy to be: more prayer until we are spared this scourge! Or can we do better for humanity than that?

22 08 2009
boremetotears

when there IS a devastating hurricane like Katrina or just a really bad season like 2004, prayer or the failure thereof has to carry corresponding blame…

and

when it’s believed by enough people and acted upon, gets people hurt, causes them to suffer and die.

Of course, when a devastating hurricane is avoided, God gets the credit; but when it isn’t, it’s the fault of homosexual, feminist, atheist sin, which is believed by enough people. Honestly, I’m surprised that there’s not more violence following these events, given the rhetoric.

22 08 2009
22 08 2009
Nance Confer

Didn’t Obama run all over creation declaring how CHRISTIAN he was during the campaign?
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Yes, he did. And I cringed every time I saw it.

Of course, he was doing this because he was “accused” of being a secret Muslim. Which just insults all the Muslims. . .

I wish they would all just keep it in their pants.

Nance

22 08 2009
Mrs. C

Nance, I’ll tell you what it was; it was political pandering. I suppose if it were insulting to Muslims, it was only so because he was denying his “heritage” until he was elected.

JJ, I see what you are saying. Yet I cannot pull out of my theology that “this” group of people did something, so God had to do “that” (plague, hurricane, etc.) When you take that theology too far, God is no longer in control, but is obligated to smite people and all that good stuff when there is too much sin registering on his Bad-O-Meter. And that’s just silly. (Hopefully that did not come off as blasphemous, because I didn’t mean it that way.)

Now, on the other side of that, we can’t just say we can have gay sex with every stranger on the planet and act all surprised when we get HIV. Actions have consequences. As a *people,* we should try to raise our children with healthy habits AND grace for people who are not perfect. Because you know, it might be me needing that next time. A little compassion. I need some.

And see, sometimes compassion can be seen as buy-in, and lack of buy-in can be seen as lack of compassion. And sometimes (since we’re just people) we mess up and are unkind without meaning to be. That’s why I am really, REALLY working on forgiving people who have done wrong to Elf. Maybe I am being wrong to someone else and not realizing it. I want that forgiveness if I am.

NOW… that being said, would I accept laws that allow for treatment of kids like Elf the way they are? Or do I just go, oh, that’s ok what you did, and act like nothing ever happened? I hope not!

Ok. Rambling! But my point being, while I may disagree with Crist that a piece of paper in a wall with a prayer on it avoided all the hurricanes in Florida last year, I can’t say God never listens to prayer and acts with mercy. Or that we shouldn’t. Or that prayer never accomplishes anything.

22 08 2009
boremetotears

Mrs. C.

Now, on the other side of that, we can’t just say we can have gay sex with every stranger on the planet and act all surprised when we get HIV. Actions have consequences. As a *people,* we should try to raise our children with healthy habits AND grace for people who are not perfect. Because you know, it might be me needing that next time. A little compassion. I need some.

Wow. My head is spinning. This is why I deplore the Bible. Without it, someone who would otherwise probably be quite decent can comfortably say the most perfectly evil things and not realize it. I’d elaborate, but I wouldn’t know where to start 😦

22 08 2009
Nance Confer

Nance, I’ll tell you what it was; it was political pandering. I suppose if it were insulting to Muslims, it was only so because he was denying his “heritage” until he was elected.
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Yes, it was political pandering. But I didn’t see him doing it until he was falsely “accused” by Christians of being a Muslim. As if being a Muslim is the same thing as being a terrorist or worse. And that’s the insult to Muslims. That their religion is equated with terrorism or worse as a matter of course in American discourse.

Nance

22 08 2009
Nance Confer

Actions have consequences. As a *people,* we should try to raise our children with healthy habits AND grace for people who are not perfect.

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Yep.

I don’t need a god to try to do that but if it helps you get there. . .

Nance

22 08 2009
JJ

Nobody “acts” to cause the consequence of a hurricane or tornado. Probably why insurance companies still call them an “act of god.” (But then, if you take the bible literally, isn’t everything?)

I’d take both ideas together, Lynn’s and Mrs. C’s — so that the “healthy habits and grace” we model for the kids must by definition include inquiry and observation and thinking for themselves, all about hurricanes and disease and sex and power, justice, economics, war, politics, culture, psychology and government too, as much more real and understandable than mysterious acts of god that are their lot to suffer in helpless ignorance.

23 08 2009
Crimson Wife

“Does he literally believe his prayers are the way to solve public policy problems, to fulfill his duties to serve and protect the population?

If I were to serve in elected office, I would feel that part of my responsibility is praying for my constituents’ needs. Of course, that wouldn’t be the *ONLY* action I’d take to try to solve those problems. However, all the things I could try to do would be in vain without God’s help. So I would pray.

But I wouldn’t campaign on those prayers. I would hope that people could see by the way I live my life that I take seriously my obligation to follow Christ’s teachings- and that includes Matthew 6:6 ” But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”

23 08 2009
JJ

That makes sense to me, CW, that a governor would pray (preferably privately but even if it’s in a speech or something) for the strength and wisdom to help the people in earthly ways through human actions and decisions. Then it is like focusing expectations and will, envisioning the desired result, meditation, or for those who prefer, a form of self-hypnosis as health therapy.

Very different to pray that god should change the weather or make a miracle, and worse then to tell the people it did the trick! Then it is pandering and/or charlatanism if one is lying, and insanity and/or ignorant superstition is one really believes it to be true.

I was thinking about sports events. We used to hear prayers before every high school and university game — strange now to remember that, huh? — but it was always prayer for inner resources, for all the humans involved, not to hurt the other guys or even to “win” games or prizes or awards in human competition so others “lose” — so much for political prayer! — much less to change nature, turn back time, etc. That can be a form of positive group psychology. What Crist did though, was NOT.

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